Comic 1702 - Still No Page. Everything Sucks.

15th Jul 2020, 12:00 AM
Still No Page. Everything Sucks.
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HiFranc 15th Jul 2020, 12:58 AM edit delete reply

They sound so disorganised! How did they function as a hospital before?

I hope things work out for Centcomm.
Vulcan 15th Jul 2020, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
Let's face it, The whole national response to COVID in America is completely disorganized.
Sheela 15th Jul 2020, 1:45 AM edit delete reply

D'aww ... ... *high paw* !! 😀
Sleel 15th Jul 2020, 2:18 AM edit delete reply

I'd definitely say she should tell them to pound sand if they try to bill her for all this extra shit being done because of their incompetence. I'd also consider suing the ppl making a practice of stepping on their dicks.
Andrew Armstrong 15th Jul 2020, 3:04 AM edit delete reply
What a wunch (of bankers). I suppose the next gambit will be to require yet another Covid test on account of the previous one being 5 days ago...

Recursion: see Recursion.

Best wishes to Cent, and I hope she doesn't have any more delays, or problems caused by taking strong painkillers for too long.
Eve Z. 15th Jul 2020, 4:11 AM edit delete reply

This Covid madness destroyed everything that had anything to do with common sense.
I hope everything gets sorted out for you! <3
Oldarmourer 15th Jul 2020, 4:19 AM edit delete reply
Sounds like the beginnings of 'socialized medicine' where completely detached administators write 'policies' that override common sense and which can't be questioned...
Don't worry, they'll hire some senior administrators to 'reassess and promulgate expanded policy and protocols' to take moretime from those actually providing services and have them fill out new forms instead.
Andrew 15th Jul 2020, 4:39 AM edit delete reply
As someone who works in 'Socialised Medicine' no, we work much better than that on average. Also we cost a lot less for the government and the individual while giving everyone free healthcare. All round Win
Oldarmourer 15th Jul 2020, 5:51 AM edit delete reply
'free' ? guess that means nobody gets paid...
'socialized' medicine invariably costs more in taxes than buying insurance would
with longer wait times and even rationing of services..I lost a few family members thanks to that
Oldarmourer 15th Jul 2020, 5:53 AM edit delete reply
the best part is that I pay for insurance to cover the costs the 'socialized' part won't...
and lived in provinces where there was an additional charge for services on top of 40% tax rates
Vulcan 15th Jul 2020, 6:57 AM edit delete reply
The problem with your statement is that you are incorrect. Yes, one pays extra taxes in countries with socialized healthcare. No, those extra taxes are NOT more than the cost of health insurance premiums AND dedutibles AND copays AND the random stuff health insurance just plain refuses to cover.

Ten minute's research on the internet will show you that.
Oldarmourer 15th Jul 2020, 2:44 PM edit delete reply
Sorry, 45+ years of paying for it and using, or atempting to use, the system invalidates everything you just said.

With unending taxpayer money to fund the system, there is absolutely no incentive to promote efficiency or effectiveness, and it shows.

The levels upon levels of bureaucracy ensures that the costs go up while the services go down.

That translates into few available services at the 'front end', insanely long wait times, unnecessary complications and even deaths because of those wait times and a complete detachment of the system from the people it's supposed to serve.

You are quite wrong in stating that taxes are less than health insurance premiums. 'Health care' is up to 50% of the budgets for some provinces and when you take 50% of my tax bill, I can buy the most gold-plated insurance plan that would rival the services politicians get and still have enough left over to cover drugs and other supplies that are NOT covered by the gov't system and you need to buy private insurance for anyway.
Vulcan 15th Jul 2020, 6:57 AM edit delete reply
The problem with your statement is that you are incorrect. Yes, one pays extra taxes in countries with socialized healthcare. No, those extra taxes are NOT more than the cost of health insurance premiums AND dedutibles AND copays AND the random stuff health insurance just plain refuses to cover.

Ten minute's research on the internet will show you that.
HiFranc 15th Jul 2020, 7:56 AM edit delete reply

As to the cost of healthcare, prepare to have your mind blown. This is a few years old but I haven’t seen anything to say that it doesn’t still apply:

For something more recent, there’s this The relevant bit is from about 10:50.
Deoxy 15th Jul 2020, 6:29 AM edit delete reply
That's the theory, Andrew, yes.

Having personally been to several countries with different flavors of socialized medicine, and having family that has lived in one for decades, that's seldom how it works in actual practice. I have at least one family member that *died* over it, so go on and tell me that's not true. I will laugh in your face.

For stitches, broken bones, and other stuff like that, sure, socialized medicine is great.

But there's a reason people *still* come to the US for care if they can afford it for anything remotely uncommon, even though our system was dreadfully damaged by the "Affordable Care Act" (which made everything much less affordable).
Vulcan 15th Jul 2020, 6:59 AM edit delete reply
And I knew someone who died because they couldn't afford insulin in America. Another person I knew almost died because they couldn't afford an epi-pen (which costs under $5 to make but costs hundreds of dollars to buy for some reason) and it's only the sheerest luck that someone else who DID have one was willing to use it to save her life.

Is socialized health care perfect? No. Is it way better than America's no-heath-care plan? Yes, yes it is.
Deoxy 15th Jul 2020, 8:23 AM edit delete reply
"Is socialized health care perfect? No. Is it way better than America's no-heath-care plan? Yes, yes it is. "

No, no it isn't, and not even close.

Yes, there are problems with our system, and yes, it's worse now than it was a few years ago (as we moved *closer* to socialized medicine, by the way).

But no, it's still not *nearly* as bad as a system where you are dependent on the government letting you have something.

In the US, if I don't like the insurance plan I have, I can switch companies (and if we can get the government to back off and not try to control it so much, as if this were a socialized medicine system, that would be even better). In a socialized system, if the government says no, I can... uh... move to another country?

Oh wait, in some cases, they won't even let you do that - see Charlie Gard.
Deoxy 15th Jul 2020, 8:25 AM edit delete reply
Oh, and the epi-pen thing? That is because government over-regulation has made it insanely difficult (meaning insanely expensive) to get approved to make them - there is only one maker left, giving them all the bad problems of a monopoly, because of *government control* of the system.

Yay, let's get more government involvement! That will fix it! It's like thinking the solution to a snake bite is getting the snake to bite you more and harder.
Oldarmourer 15th Jul 2020, 2:48 PM edit delete reply
priced epi-pens up here lately ? they aren't handed out still have to buy them. Insulin is cheaper but you still have to pay for it. I'm diabetic and pay for insurance to cover drugs and supplies because the 'socialized healthcare' DOESN'T !! Granted, in this province at least, the prices for diabetic supplies are controlled, to an extent, but the insurance to cover the net cost is well worth the premium.
megados 15th Jul 2020, 4:44 AM edit delete reply

@ Oldarmourer, Nope not even close. This is full-on capitalist, squeeze-'em till they bleed medicine, where completely detached administrators write 'policies' that override common (medical) sense and which can't be questioned...
HiFranc 15th Jul 2020, 7:52 AM edit delete reply

My experience with healthcare, combined with what I’ve heard in podcasts, says that standards of treatment are heavily influenced by local factors. In any system you get good and bad institutions. There are always pressures on any system and it’s up to local administrators, managers and other staff to provide good healthcare.

Some institutions (in multiple countries) are introducing checklists to as an aid to reducing error and others either reject them or misuse them.

I live in the UK and we have the NHS here. In Newcastle upon Tyne, where I live, the care is amongst the best in the country. In Lincoln, where relations live, the local hospital was so bad that the national Government put it in “special measures”. Similarly, I know such disparities exist in the US, Canada and practically every country regardless of system.

{edited for grammar}
Oldarmourer 15th Jul 2020, 4:22 AM edit delete reply
And tell Cent to eat yogurt, heavy duty painkillers can be constipating and it sounds like whoever's in charge of the beerflu panic is full of enough of the 'stuff that makes the grass grow green' for both of them ;)
megados 15th Jul 2020, 4:50 AM edit delete reply

Cent, if you're reading, I feel horrible for you! :( No one should have to be put through this. I really hope you can get this sorted, and get better!

Rose, if you're reading, help Cent feel better, and tell her this ^^, and I hope you're doing well too. Both of you stay safe!
megados 15th Jul 2020, 6:09 PM edit delete reply

Also, I/(we) don't expect you to have to try to post something all the time as a filler. In light of the difficulty, and with Cent's surgery in limbo hell, just a note from time to time, letting us know how things are going is sufficient, for me at least.
Lisekmały 15th Jul 2020, 4:59 AM edit delete reply
Stay strong, both of you. There are people wishing you well all over the world and dont worry we will wait for you, its worth it. Just put up another info page from time to time so we can cheer you both up.
Gilrandir 15th Jul 2020, 6:17 AM edit delete reply
Management of unrelenting pain can be tremendously wearing, emotionally and psychologically, @Centcomm. I wish you the best possible outcome and as full and complete a recovery as possible. @Tokyo Rose, thank you for keeping us informed and entertained during this necessary hiatus. I say this not to put any pressure on the creative team, or to sound ungrateful for your creative hard work, but I miss the characters I have come to know and care about and look forward to the continuation of their stories as soon as circumstances permit. Meanwhile, I hope it helps to know that there are people out there wishing for you both to be healthy and happy.
Tooniator 15th Jul 2020, 7:36 AM edit delete reply
I have spare Norco that Cent can use. Do we live on the same planet?
mjkj 15th Jul 2020, 11:50 AM edit delete reply

What a bummer...

...hope Cent will get her surgery soon... =S

...thank you for keeping us posted, Rose...
KarToon12 15th Jul 2020, 2:28 PM edit delete reply

I hope you feel better soon. Don't worry; the comic can wait. Your health is more important.
Guest 15th Jul 2020, 3:04 PM edit delete reply
This is the wait time chart for hand surgery from the official gov't site, sorry if I don't say where exactly where I live.

hopefully, the columns either line up or make a little sense, I changed the city names.

I had to have radiation treatments a few years ago, I live within a mile of the largest Regional Hospital north of the Capital, a relatively new complex with supposedly all the trimmings... I had to drive well over an hour, to a different province, each day (and back again) for those treatments because that service was unavailable here when I needed it
The cumulative parking bill alone, for the hospital lot !! was over $600.00

My mother never did get the surgery she required and died as a result.

Consult Wait Time Surgery Wait Time
city 1

city 2

203 days

170 days
capital city

capital city 2

122 days

384 days
city 3

city 4

243 days

301 days
capital city

capital main hospital

508 days

478 days
city 5

Regional Hospital


city 6

Regional Hospital


417 days
large city




Consolidated Hospital


large city

Regional Hospital

44 days

large city

Regional Health Centre


Oldarmourer 15th Jul 2020, 3:09 PM edit delete reply
That didn't line up, not surprising, but the biggest and the best equipped hospital in the province has a 500+ day waiting list for consultation, and another 400+ day wait time for the surgery after that, assuming you're permitted to have it.

Cent is getting hers at an unheard of speed, even with a paperwork glitch. Up here, unless you were on WCB or an elected official, she'd be waiting years. Now that I'm retired, my wait time for knee surgery has gone from six months to "we'll get back to you in a year and a half to schedule a consultation...maybe"
Red 15th Jul 2020, 3:13 PM edit delete reply
This is one of the first webcomics I read. I love it!!!!! Hope Cent gets better and receives her surgery. Is this a county hospital???? They are full of BS! She might wait forever!!!!!!!
lurker314 15th Jul 2020, 5:58 PM edit delete reply
Are you SURE that's a Scottish fold? Looks like an old-style German fold to me...
megados 15th Jul 2020, 6:04 PM edit delete reply

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