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Comic 1581 - A Whole Lotta Nothing

28th Feb 2018, 12:00 AM
A Whole Lotta Nothing
Average Rating: 5 (24 votes)

Author Notes:

Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 12:49 AM edit delete
Centcomm
Sorry about the missing lines on Ophelia there was a glitch in the rendering. also love you guys! I WISH I had more of you. HUGS!
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 1:11 PM edit delete
Centcomm
side note Datachasers is falling off the popular list on comic fury - remember you can get free account at CF and vote !
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robnot 28th Feb 2018, 12:14 AM edit delete reply
sergeant is definitely new to the squad , an pissed bout it..
?an glasses on Feelie,, are jus to protect from sand??
megados 28th Feb 2018, 12:22 AM edit delete reply
Barbecue's a bust; Everyone took off. >_<

I wonder if they were raided, or tipped off. Whatever the cause, Ophelia isn't happy to have missed the party!
Chippewa Ghost 28th Feb 2018, 12:23 AM edit delete reply

Still waiting on those ribs, TokyoRose.
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 12:50 AM edit delete reply

hands chipp a rack of ribs BBQed :D
mjkj 28th Feb 2018, 3:57 AM edit delete reply

Wow, seems like someone was faster, I guess it was Rose... =P

*hugs Cent* <3

Yeah, I was wondering about that, Cent =) thank you for clarifying =D
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 1:11 PM edit delete reply

your welcome . trying to make sure its working normally
MirrorField 28th Feb 2018, 5:25 AM edit delete reply
Well, all intelligence has a shelf-life. Some shorter, some longer and the fun part is that the value is never exact.

And that's assuming no foul play...
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 1:12 PM edit delete reply

is that the truth
GENE 28th Feb 2018, 6:51 AM edit delete reply
who is saying "all squads converge on main building" for that is the trap here, it will explode when every one is there.
Kyrinthic 28th Feb 2018, 7:40 AM edit delete reply
I'm guessing its more like the main building is where all the bodies are, rather than a trap. Someone already came through and cleared this place out.
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 1:12 PM edit delete reply

its one of the troops.
megados 28th Feb 2018, 8:46 AM edit delete reply
Aww, Cent, no need to be sorry! Thanks for the heads up!

Love you right back. HUGS! :D

Also I wanted to mention the nice touch in flavoring Ophelia's speech, (senny) and plausibly informing readers (me) who didn't pick up right away what it meant. Good one Rose.
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 1:12 PM edit delete reply

yer welcome there!
MikeLinPA 28th Feb 2018, 9:47 AM edit delete reply
"Ma'am, I got no problem takin' orders from you, but I don't understand what you're sayin'!"
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 1:13 PM edit delete reply

LOL
wright1 28th Feb 2018, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, the sergeant comes across as a new transfer who (understandably) isn't happy about it. Give him credit for being brave / stupid enough to mouth off to a Cassian, but he'd better temper that attitude. It'll improve his life expectancy.

Hope they all stay alert. Who / whatever took the gutters out could still be there, or left a lethal surprise. The latter is even more likely if this was someone tidying up loose threads.
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 1:13 PM edit delete reply

well at least its not Nox.. or Kali. or worse.. Malati.
Sheela 28th Feb 2018, 5:15 PM edit delete reply

Between Nox, Kali and Malati, I had the feeling that Nox was the nastier one of the three.
DLKmusic 1st Mar 2018, 1:02 AM edit delete reply

Sorry Cent, Malati may have been a troll, but I would BEG to serve with her over Nox!
Alverson 1st Mar 2018, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
I tend to think that NCO has been under her command for some time. Only troops that have served together a while would talk to each other like that in most cases.
Gilrandir 4th Mar 2018, 10:59 PM edit delete reply
This comment took a while to percolate through slowly. Apologies for the delay in response.

We had a real knockdown-drag-out comment fest about whether Cassians are in or out of the Roma Defense Force chain of command. My understanding of it, when all is said and done, is that Cassians are not in the chain of command -- having their own command structure instead. So, theoretically, even if Feelie is embedded with that NCO's squad, neither can be "under the other's command".

Of course, I may be wrong.
megados 5th Mar 2018, 2:36 PM edit delete reply
I had to think about this for a bit. I'll start by saying that I agree that they are separate and distinct chains of command. There are extenuating circumstances which could occur, though. At this point in time no one could create such a circumstance, because the stewardship of New Rome is in flux, however, consider this: Someone properly seated on the Throne decides they want to do something like keeping gutter operations in check. To that end, (he or she who rules) decides they want dedicated teams whose function is to patrol and do whatever they do with them. Further, they decide that these patrols are to employ Cassians. By whatever mechanism, Noctis is given intstructions from he or she who rules, that the assigned Cassians would act under orders from each corresponding patrol's commander. This would have Cassians taking orders from non-Cassians. Similar circumstances could be envisioned for the reverse, having the Cassians as acting commanders of the patrols. Unusual? Yes. Possible? I think so, if I am not too far off base.
antrik 5th Mar 2018, 2:53 PM edit delete reply
Isn't it kinda normal, in joint operations involving several distinct arms of the military, to have someone command the entire operation, including those forces that are otherwise not in their chain of command?...
Gilrandir 5th Mar 2018, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
(DISCLAIMER: I am not and have never been a serving member of any military force, nor am I a serious student of military laws and protocols.)

As far as I know, @antrik, joint operations are, as a rule, either arranged at a point sufficiently high up that the respective chains of command dovetail (e.g., at the level of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or their duly appointed delegates) or negotiated specifically by the cognizant heads of command (as, for example, in the case of a multi-national task force where actual treaties get involved as negotiated by heads of state). The Cassians (apparently) still lack anyone able to fill that role for them. If Noctis doesn't consider herself under Maxus' orders, why would she place Ophelia under a lower-level Defense Force officer. Similarly, why would Maxus place Defense Forces under the command of the Secret Police? I suppose either scenario is possible, but it seems unlikely. More likely Ophelia is 'embedded' like a civilian contractor would be -- with certain restrictions on her activities which she will undoubtedly feel free to disregard if circumstances warrant it, but otherwise along to offer specialized assistance and technical support while leaving overall command to the designated officer.

The above is just my opinion, of course.
DLKmusic 5th Mar 2018, 9:03 PM edit delete reply

@Gilrandir: I agree about the "Embedded, like a civilian contractor" part, but I don't think she's out here under orders from Maxus (or Noctis).

I think she was out here on Decimus's orders (for whatever reason), mostly because she was complaining about not being in the city for the big party!

That being said, Maxus tasked Tennyo to set up the raiding squads to deal with the gutters, and Tennyo specifically asked if Cassians could be included in them.

In this case, I would guess that "Chawley" is the Officer in Charge, and Ophelia is the equivalent of a "contractor" much like a CIA observer (Or KGB, Or Gestapo, etc), but based on their banter, I feel confident that they've known each other and have worked together for a while.

edit: Come to think of it, I would probably put money on Decimus sending her out here because she discovered that her accent annoyed the crap out of him, and decided to crank it up to an 11!
Gilrandir 5th Mar 2018, 9:41 PM edit delete reply
I agree that it certainly seems like Ophelia and Charley have a long-established and generally positive rapport. One which probably considerably predates the current mission.
Centcomm 28th Feb 2018, 1:11 PM edit delete reply

side note Datachasers is falling off the popular list on comic fury - remember you can get free account at CF and vote !
highlander55 28th Feb 2018, 3:13 PM edit delete reply

Voted. Side note, Why is the picture so dark? Only this comic looks darker than the others I look at.
Centcomm 1st Mar 2018, 10:18 PM edit delete reply

there was a glitch in the rendering i also may need to check my vid settings.
chk 28th Feb 2018, 5:03 PM edit delete reply

Also, as one of the commenteers brought to my attention some time ago, you can vote here and on the TWC page. Not sure if you need to sign up for TWC or not.
Sheela 28th Feb 2018, 5:16 PM edit delete reply

You can vote on TWC without an account.
megados 28th Feb 2018, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
I vote on TWC each day; what do you all mean "vote here"? Have I missed something? I do have a CF profile.
DLKmusic 1st Mar 2018, 1:05 AM edit delete reply

@megados: Comic Fury calls it "rating". If you're logged into Comic Fury when you are posting, your first post on a new page will give you the ability to rate it 1 through 5. If you don't feel like commenting for whatever reason though, you can still rate the page.
megados 1st Mar 2018, 8:49 AM edit delete reply
Thanks for clearing up my confusion, @DLKmusic! Yes, I do that as well. :D
robnot 1st Mar 2018, 12:28 PM edit delete reply
ohhh thanks dlkmusic.. did not know that..
Sleel 5th Mar 2018, 4:28 AM edit delete reply

Ohhhh. I was wondering how you voted with comic fury. Have an acct but was looking for a TWC style button on their site. This is a stupid way to vote. Forces you to comment regardless of if you want to if you want to vote. That's bollocks. But I did this time. I just don't like commenting unless I really have something to say. I don't talk to be making noise, or type.
megados 5th Mar 2018, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
You don't really have to comment if you don't want to, as DLKmusic said. Just click the link "Rate this comic"
chk 2nd Mar 2018, 12:38 PM edit delete reply

'here' is the TWC link at the bottom of this page. You can vote here and then go to the actual TWC page, via this link http://topwebcomics.com/ and vote again.
megados 2nd Mar 2018, 1:32 PM edit delete reply
Thanks, chk! Less confusion does make things easier! :D

That part of it, I think, was what Dragonrider once posted about, being that you can vote on TWC without being logged in, then log into TWC. Also, you can vote from different devices/computers. :D
antrik 4th Mar 2018, 8:12 PM edit delete reply
Does voting on TWC anonymously as well as with an account, while using the same IP, really count both votes? If so, I'd assume it would also count if you created dozens of accounts and voted from each?...

Or you could just hire a bot-net to vote from thousands of IPs. Or if you have a provider that assigns random IPs on each connection, you could run a script that constantly reconnects and votes...

In short, there are many ways to game the system, if that's what you want to do. I'm not sure why people here keep bringing up these exploits as if they were perfectly legitimate things to do...
megados 4th Mar 2018, 8:57 PM edit delete reply
The TWC site specifically states you can vote once per machine per day. That isn't untoward, as the site specifically states that it is okay. It is not an exploit. I also mentioned what Dragonrider had said earlier. I had stated at that time that I did not want to do anything that would reflect badly on the comic, it's creators or staff. Setting up botnets is definitely against their policy, and I don't think anyone here would, or is doing that, nor setting up rotating IP workarounds. To my knowledge, no *people* brought up *these exploits* before.

I did not suggest that anyone is, or should be gaming the system. I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth, or suggest that I am instructing people to take improper actions.
antrik 5th Mar 2018, 2:57 PM edit delete reply
Voting once logged in and once anonymously -- if that really works -- *does* subvert the "once per machine" policy...
megados 5th Mar 2018, 5:29 PM edit delete reply
Your guess is as good as mine; I have said, twice, no, make that three times now, that it was something that someone had mentioned.

*edit*
I find it odd that you take issue with logged in versus non logged in voting, but have no problem with TWCs once per machine policy. If someone has a hundred PCs and mobile devices, they are within their rights to vote one hundred times, yet someone would be gaming the system if they would vote logged in and not logged in. SMH XD
antrik 6th Mar 2018, 2:48 PM edit delete reply
Quite frankly, both seem wrong to me. I read the "once per machine" policy more as a clarification that if two people share a machine, they can't both vote individually... (For technical reasons.)
robnot 2nd Mar 2018, 11:14 AM edit delete reply
again cant vote on CF,, all the log on issues.!
Sheela 3rd Mar 2018, 4:21 AM edit delete reply

Odd, I have no issue logging in ?

And yeah, I always rate the comic on the first comment in make on a page.
And if I miss it, I aim better on the second try ! :D
Siren 28th Feb 2018, 3:44 PM edit delete reply
I hope Ophelia survives because she's already become one of my favorite characters.
Sheela 3rd Mar 2018, 4:23 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, Ophelia and "Chawley", seems to make a cute couple too.

Pack those anti-shipping missiles away Rose, and embrace the Ohelia//Chawley ship ! >_<
antrik 4th Mar 2018, 7:58 PM edit delete reply
Shouldn't that read "Feelie/Chawley"? ;-)
Sheela 6th Mar 2018, 10:10 PM edit delete reply

OoooOooohh ... Yesss, you're absolutely right.

Feelie//Chawley ! :D
KarToon12 28th Feb 2018, 8:45 PM edit delete reply

"I ain't on the list of fuck-givers...."

Can we get that on a T-shirt? XD
Rashala 1st Mar 2018, 3:13 AM edit delete reply

Am I alone here in thinking " Trap"?
Hornet 1st Mar 2018, 9:22 AM edit delete reply
I'm thinking more of main building full a chard human remains.
DLKmusic 1st Mar 2018, 8:59 PM edit delete reply

You're not alone, Rashala. I'm Thinking that this is like a Hitchcock Movie so far... We know something's happening, but we don't know what it is... (do we, Mr. Jones)
Haegan2005 1st Mar 2018, 9:13 PM edit delete reply

Since there is a skeleton outside, iirc, that covers a couple of possibilities.

The gutters left already.

The bodies of the gutters were collected and fed to the local wild life.

The bodies of the gutters were collected in one of the buildings for other gutters to find and see that their buddies had been made an example. Kinda like the old Roman method of putting bodies up on crosses every couple of miles. It keeps you thinking...
Haegan2005 1st Mar 2018, 9:26 PM edit delete reply

I thought about a trap, but that would require someone warning them. And that warning would go out to all the gutter groups. However, the Gutter psychology would not be to face trained and supplied troops head on. Unless someone is high on chems and no longer in their right mind.

So far the impression of most gutters that we have been given is that they are well armed street gangs, Civilians with guns. Soldiers will suffer some casualties, but I have no real doubt who is going to with in a close up fight like this.

The alternative for a trap is a big remote detonated bomb, which fits the gutter psychology better I think.
Lurker314 2nd Mar 2018, 4:32 PM edit delete reply
I don't think of gangs in general a "Civilians with guns". Gang members in general, and gutters in particular, aren't going to freak out when the shooting starts (because this is not their first time). Moreover, their strategies are likely to be somewhat evolved. Gutters, though, have a couple of things that gangs lack. Gutters appear to be operating at the fringe, or even outside, territorial claims of the cities. That gives them some freedom of action. Furthermore, these have been acting with the support of an established state--practically as privateers. So they might well have access to weapons that are distinctly military grade. Not the good stuff, of course...

Yes, expect the regulars to beat irregulars regularly. But, as the American & Maccabean revolutions demonstrated, don't rely on it...
Sheela 3rd Mar 2018, 4:27 AM edit delete reply

I'd say it's a fairly bad trap, if it includes setting fire to your own base.

Could be someone else's trap though, in which case setting a gutter base on fire is just plain fun. :)
megados 3rd Mar 2018, 9:08 PM edit delete reply
Maybe they did it for the insurance? >_<
antrik 4th Mar 2018, 8:04 PM edit delete reply
Well, at least the Gutters that were deposed by Dolly recently, seemed to have some pretty nice gear on them...
DLKmusic 4th Mar 2018, 1:21 AM edit delete reply

A bomb (attached to a trip wire or motion sensor or something else equally innocuous) that would blow the building up along with the intruders sounds like a trap to me!

My Guess is that the Gutters have left, and are practicing Scorched Earth here... with a trap that's kind of a "Farewell Kiss" to the new Regime.

Of course, I may be way off base here too...
Haegan2005 4th Mar 2018, 2:38 AM edit delete reply

It may well be trapped. But the trap may be aimed at any returning gutters that were missed the first time.

The problem with simple trigger traps is that they go off on anyone who triggers them. Guilty and innocent alike.
oldastronomer 5th Mar 2018, 1:21 PM edit delete reply
A recent Grauniad article may furnish some amusement to datachasers fans in the context of this universe...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2018/mar/05/thou-shalt-not-always-beat-us-at-chess-an-alternative-10-commandments-for-robots
megados 5th Mar 2018, 2:08 PM edit delete reply
Haha, yeah. :D
Oberoten 6th Mar 2018, 6:51 AM edit delete reply

A whole lot of games nerf their bots to make them enjoyable to play against.
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