also thanks to he wankers at DES they seem to think i don't need to eat at all this month and have refused my food stamps.. so there went 90 percent of my food budget. So if you are feeling generous and have the ability - i could use the help please.
Yeah, I'm in agreement with you on their sexes. I don't care if the cast is almost all female. It's the fact that this comic is well written that keeps me coming back.
Alt text: Biologists who claim there are more than two sexes are bloody wankers. IMHO
"Alt text: Biologists who claim there are more than two sexes are bloody wankers."
That's far too nice of you.
Did you know that there are people with a different number of fingers on their hand than 5? Yep, those people actually do exist!
Clearly, then, saying that people have "5 fingers on each hand" is somehow bigoted and wrong..........
That's the only "logic" that allow a biologist to honestly say there's more than two sexes, and it's both boneheadedly stupid AND not applied in other situations.
That genetic abnormalities exist does not in any way mean there are more than two sexes.
We’ll pertaining the biological sexes relation to gender, It’s a cultural landmine that I’m not going to touch less I open politics , but I’m just going to adhere to the objective biological discussion and add that there are technically more than 2 sexes and combos of chromosomes. This doesn’t directly tie to the cultural zeitgeist that is alluded (gender) but is objective modern scientific consensus.
Intersex people are 1) incredibly rare, and 2) even of those that do exist, the *vast* majority present as normal female, physically speaking (though nearly all of them are sterile).
One of the driving factors of the current cultural/political mess is the general ignorance of the general populace on the difference between "gender" and "sex". They are not, in fact, synonymous!
What's funny (though not in a "ha ha" sort of way anymore) is that the same groups driving all the current insanity were making that distinction themselves just 20-30 years ago.
I'm not certain that genetics is quite as relevant to this discussion as people think. If reincarnation is possible, that suggests to me that we are not in the primary universe, which would mean all of genetics is just a lampshade. It would also suggest that people could have vastly more complicated backgrounds than apparently exist in this world.
Some people would probably want to draw an analogy to playing games with a character of a different presentation than one has. However, given how immersive this experience is, I'd contend that "switching teams" would be far more of a disruption than doing so in WOW, for example.
I know some people would even go so far as to say it's enough to count as a cause for PTSD. I'm not sure I would go that far. I feel like I have some past life PTSD, but that was motivation *for* a change, not *from* a change. But I also recognize that I have not been everybody, and probably haven't even been 0.000001% of everybody. As such, there's also no way I could rule out that a change would cause PTSD, especially if it happened without consent.
Also, the people I know in those groups are not saying there isn't a difference, they're saying stop talking about the biology. If we're in a VR, I feel like it certainly is not a relevant part of the discussion.
What is definitely relevant regardless of whether this is the primary universe or not is that stuff is more complicated than any of us could properly understand, and we would probably all be able to be much happier if we could all just accept that different people are different and that can enable us to make the world a better place simply by allowing people to do what they do best. We all have needed capabilities and I feel we should work together rather than fighting among ourselves.
Have to agree with this. It’s not that hard to accept an identity, hell of course sex is based off of material tangible characteristics , however the categorization and label are human made and arbitrary and reductionist in the sense that it doesn’t take into account the mainly less common variations of chromosomes and even the rare spectrum of people who share a mix of traditionally male or female phenotypes and reproductive organs. Then you have gender which is psychological and intangible which can be the scoff of materialists but at the end of the day is legitimate and something that’s been relevant for all of human history
" . . . we would probably all be able to be much happier if we could all just accept that different people are different and that can enable us to make the world a better place simply by allowing people to do what they do best. We all have needed capabilities and I feel we should work together rather than fighting among ourselves".
"Also, the people I know in those groups are not saying there isn't a difference, they're saying stop talking about the biology."
No. That's completely stupid. The difference in the biology *IS THE WHOLE POINT* being made. It's not relevant to every topic, but when statistical claims are made ("X is obviously sexist because there are more/less men/women involved in BLAH"), it's incredibly relevant. This would include things like medical risk for certain things, for instance (a biological male *******never******* needs a pap smear, no matter how much plastic surgery they get, for one really stupid but real example).
From "which would mean all of genetics is just a lampshade" emanates a vision of hordes of uminz[sic, if you please] wearing lampshades about their middles.
There are two sexes plus a few outliers. That's determined by biology. But somehow in the first quarter of the twenty-first century, the ideas of what those things mean became so pervasive and so inflexible in a lot of people's minds that they were no longer able to find themselves in the definitions of 'male' and 'female' that they were working with.
My generation, whenever we encountered anything like the same problem, just said, "well obviously if you think the definition of 'male' or 'female' is too narrow to fit you, then you're using the wrong definition. Embrace a wider view of what those things mean and you'll find that you and a whole lot of other people are just fine." I mean, we knew that there were people who cared WAY TOO MUCH about whether someone was male, and therefore afforded the privilege of not thinking about it, or female, and therefore expected to take subordinate roles - but we DESPISED those sexist fucks and whenever possible we stuck to spaces where they weren't relevant.
So... six-foot-eight musclebabe who likes other girls? Awesome, and also beautiful. Thin, wispy guy who likes crossdressing and kink? Cool, I bet you have a lot of fun stories! But - defining a gender so narrowly that it couldn't include yourself? It was something we just wouldn't have ever considered.
But the generation that came after mine.... took what the sexist fucks were selling and ramped it up to eleven, while at the same time professing to despise those sexist fucks. They embraced restrictive definitions of gender so tightly that they couldn't even apply those definitions to themselves, and I don't think there's any simple way to get back.
So.... I try not to trigger them. Your pronouns are plural? Whatever. You like crossdressing? Cool, a bunch of people have liked crossdressing forever. Oh, you like to be referred to as female? Okay, whatever. But the sheer sexism involved in having such restrictive ideas of what 'male' and 'female' mean, and feeling compelled to turn that sexism against yourself so you need to define yourself out of a gender - and the complete inability to get past it in any other way - is IMO just sad.
Well, yeah. Biological sexing is so uncontroversial that there's really nothing to talk about there, no matter who you are or what your politics are. People can have their own opinions but not their own facts.
I don't think anybody serious has disputed the facts about there being sets of people with XY or XX chromosomes, respectively, and that they mean different things for biological development, and that those two sets of people constitute more than 95% of all humans.
The only things that are in *possible* dispute - basically EVERYTHING abut "gender" as opposed to "biological sex" - is just in people's heads. Or just "Gender politics" if you prefer. Basically, if you note an issue at all, it's not an issue about biological sexing.
@Bear, that was kinda the point. This page's intent is to explain how the Oblivion Virus worked to create a society in which women so greatly outnumber the men. It wasn't meant to be used as a vehicle to go into the broader issues of gender identity. It describes the mechanism by which the virus decimated the male population. Many people have opinions about the issues surrounding gender identity, but that is outside the scope of this page.
"But somehow in the first quarter of the twenty-first century, the ideas of what those things mean became so pervasive and so inflexible in a lot of people's minds that they were no longer able to find themselves in the definitions of 'male' and 'female' that they were working with."
In "the first quarter of the twenty first century", the definitions for those things were the loosest and least-restrictive they had ever been in the entire history of humanity.
I have a slightly different non-comic related issue. Why if a bathroom has one toilet and one sink and a door do we care about or limit the sex of the person using it.
We all use the same hardware at home, but for some reason we need to segregate it when we are out, rather than just forming a line and using the first avaible room!
That's an easy one. First disclaimer I'm a man. Having said that as a man I'll tell you many men are just plain nasty using a bathroom. Some apparently can't aim for shit *there's a pun and double meaning in that word* or just don't give a fuck. Men's rooms are nasty. Trust me you would prefer the women's room. It's nicer, smells better and fancier ones even have hygiene products specifically for women. Men's room might have a condom vending machine if your lucky. LoL
My favorite had a condom machine mounted on the back/bottom of a fold-down baby changing table. I doubt that the guys who installed it even considered the idea, but:
Whichever you use, you're a bit less likely to use the other. So mounting them where you can only access one at a time is kind of an efficient, sensible thing to do.
@Evervigilant: As a guy who has held a job which included cleaning the bathrooms regardless of designation, women's restrooms can be much nastier than you're imagining.
To be absolutely clear, there are times when that's just strictly biological. Simply put, men do not as a general rule bleed every 28-30 days for several days. I am certain that there are places where the men's restroom gets covered with worse things than menstrual blood, but I am fortunate to have at least not worked in one of them. I'm also confident that in those places where the men's room gets covered in worse things, that will also sometimes happen in the women's restroom as well.
But even beyond that, women are not as universally clean as you'd like to think. Also, there are some women who will not properly sit down for number two even if they had to wait to use the restroom because somebody had been in there cleaning the bathroom and had gotten it all sanitized and sparkling.
@Bear: It's my impression that most people who just got a baby do not want another right away. You're probably right about someone with a baby not wanting a condom immediately, but there's time immediately after using the changing station where they can close the changing station and prepare for later that evening.
The most useful setup I've seen in a men's restroom actually had both a condom machine and a tampon machine on the back/bottom of the changing station. Neither of those dispensers are more than half the width of a typical changing station so there's room.
Sure, most guys aren't going to ever take advantage of one of those dispensers, but I've spent enough time in truck stops to hear multiple couples having a heated argument because the person who used the restroom wasn't able to get a tampon for her to use later that day when they arrived at their destination because the bathroom he went to did not have such a dispenser and she was not prepared to hear that and otherwise in a very uncomfortable physical state.
I think I've seen like two men's restrooms with tampon dispensers. It's also possible that I've seen more and only remember the two that really surprised me. But I am pretty sure it's a rare sight, and it's also possible that I've only seen one men's restroom with a tampon dispenser, and just thought of it as a second sighting because later on they took the two dispensers down, put up a baby changing station, and then put both dispensers back up.
Another reasoning for gendered bathroom, is that mens bathrooms often have urinals, so if a woman entered there, they might see pp !
This could potentially be awkward / uncomfortable for either the pp-haver or the non-pp-haver, thus they segregate the bathrooms.
On a sidenote, whoever invented the "waterless urinal" should be shot ... they STINK !
Honestly, never noticed the male /female disparity in numbers. I'm too busy reading and enjoying the story and art. Additionally, being a male who is fond of females, the ratio really doesn't bother me.
People actually bitch about this occurring in a comic? Looks like my decision to be a grumpy old hermit who lives in the wilds of West Texas and shoots at trespassers is paying off.
On a sidenote, the future is nigh, and the AI is about to discover human sexuality ... shenanigans may occur !
I did a post on AI on discord, it went something like this : https://ibb.co/Bczmnpd
Moral of the story, don't teach the AI with the internet as a primary source.
Also, Femboys will be everywhere, wearing Programmers Socks !🤣
Could you base it on the old' What kind of Flame Warrior are you' website,
the one that catergorised all the different types of troll you'd find in a discussion forum.... that thing was so much fund just to read. :)
Alt text: Biologists who claim there are more than two sexes are bloody wankers. IMHO
That's far too nice of you.
Did you know that there are people with a different number of fingers on their hand than 5? Yep, those people actually do exist!
Clearly, then, saying that people have "5 fingers on each hand" is somehow bigoted and wrong..........
That's the only "logic" that allow a biologist to honestly say there's more than two sexes, and it's both boneheadedly stupid AND not applied in other situations.
That genetic abnormalities exist does not in any way mean there are more than two sexes.
One of the driving factors of the current cultural/political mess is the general ignorance of the general populace on the difference between "gender" and "sex". They are not, in fact, synonymous!
What's funny (though not in a "ha ha" sort of way anymore) is that the same groups driving all the current insanity were making that distinction themselves just 20-30 years ago.
I'm not certain that genetics is quite as relevant to this discussion as people think. If reincarnation is possible, that suggests to me that we are not in the primary universe, which would mean all of genetics is just a lampshade. It would also suggest that people could have vastly more complicated backgrounds than apparently exist in this world.
Some people would probably want to draw an analogy to playing games with a character of a different presentation than one has. However, given how immersive this experience is, I'd contend that "switching teams" would be far more of a disruption than doing so in WOW, for example.
I know some people would even go so far as to say it's enough to count as a cause for PTSD. I'm not sure I would go that far. I feel like I have some past life PTSD, but that was motivation *for* a change, not *from* a change. But I also recognize that I have not been everybody, and probably haven't even been 0.000001% of everybody. As such, there's also no way I could rule out that a change would cause PTSD, especially if it happened without consent.
Also, the people I know in those groups are not saying there isn't a difference, they're saying stop talking about the biology. If we're in a VR, I feel like it certainly is not a relevant part of the discussion.
What is definitely relevant regardless of whether this is the primary universe or not is that stuff is more complicated than any of us could properly understand, and we would probably all be able to be much happier if we could all just accept that different people are different and that can enable us to make the world a better place simply by allowing people to do what they do best. We all have needed capabilities and I feel we should work together rather than fighting among ourselves.
Amen! :D
Yes. And........ relevance?
"Also, the people I know in those groups are not saying there isn't a difference, they're saying stop talking about the biology."
No. That's completely stupid. The difference in the biology *IS THE WHOLE POINT* being made. It's not relevant to every topic, but when statistical claims are made ("X is obviously sexist because there are more/less men/women involved in BLAH"), it's incredibly relevant. This would include things like medical risk for certain things, for instance (a biological male *******never******* needs a pap smear, no matter how much plastic surgery they get, for one really stupid but real example).
even though (or because?) Rose and TeeDee were trying...
(imho)
Sorry Centcomm.
thank you for editing..
BTW, a world where the men are outnumbered by beautiful women sounds fine to this old man.
My generation, whenever we encountered anything like the same problem, just said, "well obviously if you think the definition of 'male' or 'female' is too narrow to fit you, then you're using the wrong definition. Embrace a wider view of what those things mean and you'll find that you and a whole lot of other people are just fine." I mean, we knew that there were people who cared WAY TOO MUCH about whether someone was male, and therefore afforded the privilege of not thinking about it, or female, and therefore expected to take subordinate roles - but we DESPISED those sexist fucks and whenever possible we stuck to spaces where they weren't relevant.
So... six-foot-eight musclebabe who likes other girls? Awesome, and also beautiful. Thin, wispy guy who likes crossdressing and kink? Cool, I bet you have a lot of fun stories! But - defining a gender so narrowly that it couldn't include yourself? It was something we just wouldn't have ever considered.
But the generation that came after mine.... took what the sexist fucks were selling and ramped it up to eleven, while at the same time professing to despise those sexist fucks. They embraced restrictive definitions of gender so tightly that they couldn't even apply those definitions to themselves, and I don't think there's any simple way to get back.
So.... I try not to trigger them. Your pronouns are plural? Whatever. You like crossdressing? Cool, a bunch of people have liked crossdressing forever. Oh, you like to be referred to as female? Okay, whatever. But the sheer sexism involved in having such restrictive ideas of what 'male' and 'female' mean, and feeling compelled to turn that sexism against yourself so you need to define yourself out of a gender - and the complete inability to get past it in any other way - is IMO just sad.
I don't think anybody serious has disputed the facts about there being sets of people with XY or XX chromosomes, respectively, and that they mean different things for biological development, and that those two sets of people constitute more than 95% of all humans.
The only things that are in *possible* dispute - basically EVERYTHING abut "gender" as opposed to "biological sex" - is just in people's heads. Or just "Gender politics" if you prefer. Basically, if you note an issue at all, it's not an issue about biological sexing.
In "the first quarter of the twenty first century", the definitions for those things were the loosest and least-restrictive they had ever been in the entire history of humanity.
We all use the same hardware at home, but for some reason we need to segregate it when we are out, rather than just forming a line and using the first avaible room!
Whichever you use, you're a bit less likely to use the other. So mounting them where you can only access one at a time is kind of an efficient, sensible thing to do.
To be absolutely clear, there are times when that's just strictly biological. Simply put, men do not as a general rule bleed every 28-30 days for several days. I am certain that there are places where the men's restroom gets covered with worse things than menstrual blood, but I am fortunate to have at least not worked in one of them. I'm also confident that in those places where the men's room gets covered in worse things, that will also sometimes happen in the women's restroom as well.
But even beyond that, women are not as universally clean as you'd like to think. Also, there are some women who will not properly sit down for number two even if they had to wait to use the restroom because somebody had been in there cleaning the bathroom and had gotten it all sanitized and sparkling.
@Bear: It's my impression that most people who just got a baby do not want another right away. You're probably right about someone with a baby not wanting a condom immediately, but there's time immediately after using the changing station where they can close the changing station and prepare for later that evening.
The most useful setup I've seen in a men's restroom actually had both a condom machine and a tampon machine on the back/bottom of the changing station. Neither of those dispensers are more than half the width of a typical changing station so there's room.
Sure, most guys aren't going to ever take advantage of one of those dispensers, but I've spent enough time in truck stops to hear multiple couples having a heated argument because the person who used the restroom wasn't able to get a tampon for her to use later that day when they arrived at their destination because the bathroom he went to did not have such a dispenser and she was not prepared to hear that and otherwise in a very uncomfortable physical state.
I think I've seen like two men's restrooms with tampon dispensers. It's also possible that I've seen more and only remember the two that really surprised me. But I am pretty sure it's a rare sight, and it's also possible that I've only seen one men's restroom with a tampon dispenser, and just thought of it as a second sighting because later on they took the two dispensers down, put up a baby changing station, and then put both dispensers back up.
This could potentially be awkward / uncomfortable for either the pp-haver or the non-pp-haver, thus they segregate the bathrooms.
On a sidenote, whoever invented the "waterless urinal" should be shot ... they STINK !
I did a post on AI on discord, it went something like this : https://ibb.co/Bczmnpd
Moral of the story, don't teach the AI with the internet as a primary source.
Also, Femboys will be everywhere, wearing Programmers Socks !🤣
Could you base it on the old' What kind of Flame Warrior are you' website,
the one that catergorised all the different types of troll you'd find in a discussion forum.... that thing was so much fund just to read. :)
Many thanks!
Eli...
Also Hi Sheela, WB!