Comic 1519 - Applying Leverage

8th Aug 2017, 9:00 PM
Applying Leverage
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cattservant 8th Aug 2017, 9:11 PM edit delete reply

Tokyo Rose must have pulled a neuron weaving this web!
megados 8th Aug 2017, 9:18 PM edit delete reply

Maybe an inflamed spinneret?
cattservant 8th Aug 2017, 9:24 PM edit delete reply

chaffed nozzles...
Centcomm 9th Aug 2017, 4:13 PM edit delete reply

oh yes but she had help! :D sortqa kinda!
cattservant 9th Aug 2017, 5:25 PM edit delete reply

Tying a metaphorical sling.
megados 8th Aug 2017, 9:15 PM edit delete reply

Hmmm, is CentComm over playing her hand, or purposely getting Lynn, Calliope, and Dolly coming together with her as the focal point? ;) She even has Calliope starting to advocate FOR Lynn being able to visit Acantha.

Will Lynn notice that Calliope is siding with her against Cent?
cattservant 8th Aug 2017, 9:28 PM edit delete reply

I think Dolly has it right.
Sheela 8th Aug 2017, 9:37 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, Centcomm is really terrible at interacting with humans.
All the Pickles 8th Aug 2017, 11:23 PM edit delete reply

Or great at playing the villain to manipulate them into a course of action.
Stormwind13 9th Aug 2017, 7:06 AM edit delete reply

I'm leaning towards your way of thinking, Pickles. CentComm has been shown to manipulate events (and PEOPLE) over the course of the comic. I get the feeling that she is pushing everyone away from one stance toward another (while potentially not optimal) that she can live with. Getting the trio to agree on something should reduce some of the internal antagonism which would be a bonus for her.
Rashala 8th Aug 2017, 11:27 PM edit delete reply

Agreed centy is actually making. This situation worse not calming it. I think she's spent so Mich time rationalizing and logically working out things so Mich she's lost the ability to interface even empathize with humans on more than the most basic levels.
megados 9th Aug 2017, 6:20 AM edit delete reply

I agree that Dolly is right. It looks to me, like CentComm is trying some sort of ham-fisted psychology.
Boren 9th Aug 2017, 11:55 AM edit delete reply

You know Cent may end up regretting this style of tactic the nano second Lynn realizes she has the authority to override anything Cent does
Effectively "Sit Girl!"
+5 internet points to anyone who gets the reference
Centcomm 9th Aug 2017, 4:14 PM edit delete reply

ok Borean as funny as that would be to see. ( yes I caught that ) it wont be happening
velvetsanity 9th Aug 2017, 6:59 PM edit delete reply

"Ouch! Kagome......."
Timotheus 10th Aug 2017, 4:26 AM edit delete reply

Well, if Centcom is trying to manipulate the situation as it seems like she is, then all I can say is this is one of those literary plot situations that can work in a story because the authors can control how all the characters will respond to the situation and thus achieve the desired results (whatever they may be). In real life situations such mind games usually blow up rather quickly (and often violently) due to unexpected individual reactions and at best yield only marginal results. But it does make for good story telling.
megados 10th Aug 2017, 5:34 PM edit delete reply

@Timotheus, the main thing here, is that CentComm doesn't always relate well to people. She can calculate thousands of scenarios, but fail to realize what you mention here: the fact that it could easily go sideways. The characters' reaction is under the control of the storytellers, but they themselves sometimes "let" things go sideways. ;)
mjkj 8th Aug 2017, 10:20 PM edit delete reply

Awww... Dolly, you tell Cent...

I wonder why Cent did not consult Dolly beforehand or per Android speak...

What happend there in the last panel? =O
...someone painted on Cent's chest...

cattservant 8th Aug 2017, 10:38 PM edit delete reply

Maybe she is powering up an SLT.
HiFranc 9th Aug 2017, 12:58 AM edit delete reply

cattservant 9th Aug 2017, 1:47 AM edit delete reply

Stealth Laser Turret
StellarJay 9th Aug 2017, 1:28 AM edit delete reply

That's the shadow from the chain ringing the top of the blouse Calliope is wearing you see on on Cent's front. Lights from all directions employed here!
mjkj 9th Aug 2017, 4:04 AM edit delete reply

Thank you, Jay... - so, that means we are basically looking Calli over the shoulder...
Sevian 8th Aug 2017, 11:10 PM edit delete reply

Okay. Cent's becoming my new fave lately.

Never actually thought I'd say that.
HiFranc 9th Aug 2017, 12:59 AM edit delete reply

For me, it confirms Dolly as one of my favourites.
Centcomm 9th Aug 2017, 4:14 PM edit delete reply

yay and stuff at Sevian!
HiFranc 8th Aug 2017, 11:43 PM edit delete reply

Given that Noctis, Max and a few others know about the spike, it'll probably will be better if someone from New Troy tells Acantha than not.

I think that Dolly would be the best person to do it. Maybe it would be a good idea if Lynn was there at the time but I'm not sure.

I think that not allowing Lynn to visit would be the fastest way to alienate Acantha and New Rome.
Some Ed 9th Aug 2017, 4:24 AM edit delete reply
I would agree to a point.

Not letting Lynn visit Acantha while she's sleeping and not about to wake up is probably medically sound, so long as Centy doesn't accomplish that by goading Lynn into telling Acantha in the worst possible manner.

That said, if Lynn and Dolly were to visit with timing such that Acantha was about to wake up anyway, so Lynn was in the room when she woke up, and Dolly told her about the spike while Lynn went along with the spin Dolly put on it, it would probably smooth things over about as well as could be.

But Centy goading Lynn like this does not seem likely to be able to maneuver the situation into such a state in the amount of time available. Introducing sleeping drugs into Acantha's IV to provide more time for Dolly to mollify Lynn would probably not go over at all well when it was discovered. When, not if, because those things tend to come out when the stakes are this high...
megados 9th Aug 2017, 7:26 AM edit delete reply

Since Noctis knows this already, timing is important, because if Acantha wakes up, and no one but Noctis is there, she might discuss it as part of briefing Acantha and getting her up to speed.

It pretty much says that Lynn Dolly and Calliope better get over there sooner rather than later, if they want to be first in line to inform Acantha.

*edit: Does Noctis know the particular details about Aeneas, or just that the contingencies were disabled, and that Aeneas is repaired?
antrik 9th Aug 2017, 11:42 AM edit delete reply
@megados what particular details are you thinking of? Since Rosie's announcement (through the undead Nox head), she does know that Commie's agent tried to spike Aeneas, but was prevented. (Presumably by Rosie along with others -- though she didn't make it very clear who exactly and how they were involved...) I guess others might have given Noctis further information in the mean time -- though I can't think of anything that would actually be relevant to the current situation?...

As for timing, Commie bringing up Acantha's health, makes me assume she is thinking in terms of days rather then hours... Though you are right that she probably should try to secure Noctis's cooperation on this point :-)
megados 9th Aug 2017, 1:06 PM edit delete reply

@antrik, yes that is what I mean; whether Noctis knows just who and details surrounding the spike, and what the intent was. It is possible she might forego painting an incomplete picture. It would buy some time for however they plan to tell Acantha about the event.

I didn't get the impression that Acantha would be sleeping for days, rather, an amount of hours. Noctis is with her, and as soon as she wakes up, it would be prudent to have their plan in place for telling her, lest Noctis tell her what she knows in the interim.
antrik 9th Aug 2017, 2:59 PM edit delete reply
Of course Acantha won't sleep for days -- but that doesn't mean it wouldn't endanger her health if someone told her immediately once she wakes up...

Good point regarding Noctis's insight on Commie's motivation. Since Commie hasn't tried to justify her actions to Noctis when confronted about them (or even admitted to her involvement), Noctis might very well be thinking it was an attempt at conquest...
Stormwind13 9th Aug 2017, 7:42 AM edit delete reply

Totally agree, HiFranc. After the isolation that Acantha was subjected to in Nova Roma, cutting her off from her friend, her SISTER, would be a horrible mistake.

I'm still wondering if the psytech did that to force Lynn to confront her demons. Get them out in the open where they can be cleaned out. Instead of having them fester while she focuses on Acantha.

Maybe CentComm is trying to get Lynn to open up to allow her wounds to be cleaned. Getting her riled up and then smacking her (like she did last page, by getting her to acknowledge her animosity toward CentComm) might lead to her doing it quicker.
antrik 9th Aug 2017, 11:23 AM edit delete reply
I do not follow: how would telling Lynn she can't visit Acantha force her to confront her demons?...
Tokyo Rose 10th Aug 2017, 6:57 AM edit delete reply


Prevents her from focusing on Acantha to the exclusion of her own mental health.
Stormwind13 10th Aug 2017, 7:08 AM edit delete reply

I'm thinking that without something 'external' to focus on (Acantha) Lynn is more likely to think about some of her personal problems. Especially when CentComm blindsides her and gets her thinking about her feelings toward CentComm then Calliope leading possibly to what she has bottled up from her recent ordeal.

I could be wrong, but it was a thought why people are treating Lynn the way they are. CentComm knows the players in this piece pretty well, so she might have a favourable projection for such an attempt.

Edit- Thank you Rose, I was trying to get it answered. :-)
HiFranc 9th Aug 2017, 1:07 AM edit delete reply

After reading all the comments on this page, I'm reminded of a science fiction story I read as a child. In it there is an alien species that has kidnapped children and experimented on them. Someone gets the contract to make the aliens likeable to mankind.
antrik 9th Aug 2017, 11:49 AM edit delete reply
Easy: let the aliens dispense free iPhones to everyone ;-)
Icefall Kitsune 9th Aug 2017, 8:00 AM edit delete reply

After these last several pages, I think Tokyo Rose will need to "step in" and inform Acantha & Noctis that several factions were involved trying to prevent Douchimus from destroying Nova Roma and everyone else and that unfortunately none were overtly aware of each others plans. Maybe this way she can mitigate the relationship damage CentComm caused by initiating the spike to Aenaes.
antrik 9th Aug 2017, 11:50 AM edit delete reply
I'd say Noctis kinda already knows this?...
Icefall Kitsune 9th Aug 2017, 3:51 PM edit delete reply

@antrik...went back and verified you are correct, Noctis does know and TR told her.
So I guess it comes down to who would be the best to tell Acantha...and when?
Aetrun 9th Aug 2017, 8:01 AM edit delete reply
Logical analysis running: Lynn appears to be using anger to distract from her pain and anyone looking at her as a victim. She has now opened up a wound that has festered for years that she likely would never have admitted to without that anger overriding her restraint. Calliope needs time to process this before she can handle it without it risking pushing her back into the same self-destructive mindset she just pulled out of. Assesment: They need a new target to focus on.
Continue thought: Lynn is used to thinking of Cent as only a cold, calculating machine, and will be unlikely to attribute empathy as a motive (whether learned or felt is irrelevant). Redirect Lynn's anger to Cent and her fury at her mother will drop away as it is only pain and not actual anger that she feels there. In addition, most humans can only focus anger at one target at a time (when multiple targets are aimed at, it tends to be a group that is the target, not the individuals that make it up). Expect Dolly to prevent baiting from getting out of hand because she won't be able to watch Lynn's rage fed "without reason". Dolly's empathy for the pain the Taylor's are feeling will override emotionless analysis. If the prior statement is incorrect, and Dolly identifies the gambit, then she will be forced to play along or risk making the situation much worse. Her cooperation, knowing or otherwise, is assured. The realization that Cent is redirrecting anger in order to pull Caliope out of Lynn's sights should put Lynn off-balance enough to make her receptive to logic. Lynn will likely remain extremely irritated and displeased, but the probability of this strategy leading to a positive solution is far higher than immediately identifiable alternatives.
Summary: Dolly, your statement was mostly correct right up until you made it.
These are my thoughts on what is going on here.
Thomas 9th Aug 2017, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
Wait a second, Centcom was trying to HELP? Hmmmm, that makes me need to reevaluate my thinking on some things.
Ictuan 9th Aug 2017, 8:59 AM edit delete reply
The very next panel, shows that Tokyo Rose had walked into the room with a giant bag of popcorn and nobody noticed.
Romfire 9th Aug 2017, 10:31 AM edit delete reply
With Tokyo Rose, no one would notice her snooping. She would use the very cameras and sensors that Cent could have used. I am not sure how a person in a stasis pod would eat popcorn, so I guess it would have to be virtual popcorn. All of the flavor and none of the fat.
antrik 9th Aug 2017, 11:57 AM edit delete reply
Rosie snooping on Calliope's lab might not be conductive to their continued scientific cooperation, though ;-)
Stormwind13 9th Aug 2017, 1:32 PM edit delete reply

I'm not sure Rose would be 'snooping'. She could have a standing invite from Calliope.
antrik 9th Aug 2017, 3:55 PM edit delete reply
I doubt the invite: Commie is already very suspicious of their clandestine research cooperation -- an invite like that would probably qualify as outright treason, considering the rather confidential things going on in this lab...
Stormwind13 10th Aug 2017, 6:55 AM edit delete reply

Treason? How so? Calliope is a free citizen of New Troy and in her own lab. Tokyo Rose is not in charge of hostile city state or country. Tokyo Rose is not interested in toppling New Troy's government nor is Calliope, to the best of my knowledge. Neither is planning on murdering their 'master', so I don't see a treasonous activity if Calliope invited Tokyo Rose to take up residence let alone to virtually visit.
antrik 10th Aug 2017, 8:46 AM edit delete reply
She is a free citizen, but she is surely working under NDAs, as a government contractor... Not sure about her other research; but at least her maintenance of Cent-Comm is clearly highly confidential. I would be surprised if she isn't doing anything related to that in her lab...
Matt Knab 9th Aug 2017, 6:58 PM edit delete reply

Man, Cent is adept at the art of the burn, that's for sure. I love it.
TMLutas 10th Aug 2017, 7:51 AM edit delete reply
Cent has guaranteed communications to New Rome. It would be very dangerous for Acantha/Noctis to not have communications to New Rome. Lynn can't just be cut off from Acantha. She would have to be cut off from LunaComm, New Rome, and physically be prevented from leaving for this communication channel not to be used.

Maxus is unlikely to prevent the relay.

Cent has a losing hand here and the consequences for cutting this communication link are horrific as Noctis predictably attempts to extract Acantha based on the comm cut.
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